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RD: Joseph Bendounga
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by Faldi00 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Central African lawyer and politician, known for his eternal opposition to every presidential administration Faldi00 (talk) 06:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: The Vivienne
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Tayce Widdrington (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Tayce Widdrington (talk) 19:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Soft oppose. Prose looks to be well-cited, but discography and filmography need more refs. ForsythiaJo (talk) 19:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now until the discography and filmography tables have more refs. Suonii180 (talk) 21:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: S. A. Khaleque
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:
- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Vinegarymass911 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Bangladesh Nationalist Party politician History6042😊 (Contact me) 14:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality, article consists pretty much only of a summary of his political career. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 00:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The article is a stub. Ping me when the situation improves. Lefcentreright Discuss 05:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Costas Simitis
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Usnews
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former Greek Prime Minister Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose 3 cn tags, 3 orange tags and a yellow tag. This article is a long, long way from being posted TNM101 (chat) 11:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Support Article is very high quality compared to most other RD candidates, definitely important enough as well. --SpectralIon (talk) 04:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I wouldn't consider the article in "high quality" as there's unreferenced paragraphs throughout the article. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Congestion pricing
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Blurb: New York City becomes the first non-Eurasian city to fine driving in the central business district (Post)
Alternative blurb: New York City becomes the first non-Eurasian city to fine driving in the CBD
News source(s): Brazil Reuters AP UPI Fortune
Credits:
- Nominated by Sagittarian Milky Way (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Extremely limited scope, and effectively the same as toll roads with flex pricing that are used across the US. --Masem (t) 03:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Over 700,000 vehicles enter the Manhattan CBD daily (many from the state that sued (NJ), whole island 9XX,XXX). 3.1mil ppl on island in the middle of weekdays 680,000 Midtown alone so millions in the zone+up to 24mil in the CSA affected by the new revenue. Since 2010 mean driving speed in the CBD dropped 23% to just 7.1 mph. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- And? While NYC is big, it is not that big as to demand special consideration for something like this. Masem (t) 04:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Over 700,000 vehicles enter the Manhattan CBD daily (many from the state that sued (NJ), whole island 9XX,XXX). 3.1mil ppl on island in the middle of weekdays 680,000 Midtown alone so millions in the zone+up to 24mil in the CSA affected by the new revenue. Since 2010 mean driving speed in the CBD dropped 23% to just 7.1 mph. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom. It's basically a local/regional news story dealing with traffic congestion. Yeah, I see why it's a big deal to people in New York. But if this was being implemented in New Delhi, I doubt it would get much notice here. And frankly it probably shouldn't. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem and Ad Orientem. Not of worldwide significance TNM101 (chat) 08:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose "City introduces congestion charge". This is news? London (and a number of other cities) already beat them to that. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose NYC is not even the first in North America. Mexico City introduced a system of restrictions and fines in 1989 – see Hoy No Circula. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Untitled Minecraft spiritual successor
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Blurb: Markus "Notch" Persson announced that he will be making a spiritual successor to the original game, Minecraft. (Post)
News source(s): PC Gamer
Credits:
- Nominated by Bakhos2010 (talk · give credit)
- Created by BarntToust (talk · give credit)
- Oppose just an announcement, and we typically never post news about video games except when they win awards. Tube·of·Light 04:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Tube of Light. --IDB.S (talk) 04:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom per above. And honestly, it's borderline trivial compared to most of what gets nominated here and not posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Absolutely promotional, we do not feature any type of product announcement. --Masem (t) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Tube of Light and Masem. Does not meet WP:ITNSIGNIF TNM101 (chat) 04:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose good-faith nomination per WP:CRYSTAL. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Minecraft 2 is one of very few non-award gaming events I would support a blurb on. Problem is, Notch can't make it ever since he sold the rights of the game to Microsoft. I might support it if it becomes the bestselling game of all time, but I don't know how likely it is for that to happen. Departure– (talk) 05:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem & MtPenguinMonster Hungry403 (talk) 05:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose until release This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
January 4
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RD: Richard B. Hays
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Religion News Service Christianity Today
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by HistoryTheorist (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Marbe166 (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Innerstrife (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Died on the third but death announced January 4. Article needs some sourcing work, but I'm nominating anyway. Hopefully the nomination means that the article can get some attention. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Claude Allègre
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Entrevue Le Figaro
Credits:
- Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Chaiten1 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: French politician and scientist TNM101 (chat) 12:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Political career section is completely uncited, and some awards are missing sourcing as well. ForsythiaJo (talk) 19:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Political career section now updated with citations; scientific career and awards also updated and cited. Chaiten1 (talk) 22:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tomiko Itooka
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
- Created by 103.85.36.150 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jake11223344 (talk · give credit) and INgIEroC (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Japanese supercentenarian. Date death announced. TJMSmith (talk) 15:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Noting that I should not receive creation credit (if that's a thing at ITN) as I only created the page as a redirect and did not edit beyond that. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 18:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Updated! TJMSmith (talk) 23:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment Tomiko Itooka was the oldest living person as well at the time of her death, and we've generally posted these supercentenarian when they are at the top. Although, its not there yet. TheCorriynial (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose So far, not enough breadth in the article to warrant main page posting. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
StrongSupport Oldest living person in the world at the time, making her certainly notable enough for RD. Article is subpar but ultimately not a stub. --SpectralIon (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Support They were the oldest person so that makes her notable. --Thewetroadinsummer (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon and @Thewetroadinsummer, RDs are decided on article quality rather than notability. The Kip (contribs) 23:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, thank you for the explanation. SpectralIon (talk) 23:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon and @Thewetroadinsummer, RDs are decided on article quality rather than notability. The Kip (contribs) 23:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Short but adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes
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Blurb: Signs of a volcanic eruption appears in Awash Fentale in Afar Region. (Post)
News source(s): Al Alarabiya English, BBC News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by AsteriodX (talk · give credit)
- Oppose three months of low-level activity damaging 100 houses. Not significant enough. Stephen 05:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Stephen. Little to no unusually major impact thus far. The Kip (contribs) 06:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Stephen, doesn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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RD: Yusuf Bhamjee
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2025-01-03-tributes-pour-in-for-former-pmb-mayor-and-champion-of-service-delivery-yusuf-bhamjee/
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Lefcentreright (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former anti-apartheid activist, mayor and member of parliament Lefcentreright Discuss 06:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Jeff Baena
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People Magazine
Credits:
- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
- Created by Zujine (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 98.173.178.246 (talk · give credit), Simonthings18 (talk · give credit), DiaMali (talk · give credit) and Jolielover (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American screenwriter and film director. TJMSmith (talk) 16:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited and long enough to be put on ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Updated, now with good sources, and otherwise fully-sourced with satisfactory detail for ITN. Kingsif (talk) 02:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article has been significantly improved upon since news broke and I believe it fits all the ITN criteria jolielover♥talk 08:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not ready Filmography section is unreferenced and career section needs more references. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 01:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Besides producing Spin Me Round, all of Baena's filmography roles are referenced in the career section. That section doesn't need more refs, nor is the filmography section really unreferenced, when it's a handful of projects all laid out directly above. Kingsif (talk) 04:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Zero footnotes in the Filmography section (thus looks like a block of unsourced materials, making the wikiarticle a poor candidate to put on MainPage). If footnotes are readily available from the prose, why aren't they re-deployed in the tables? The tables included Cinema Toast, but this title cannot be found in the prose. --PFHLai (talk) 04:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Honestly, when it comes to creators rather than actors, refs are rarely included in the tables. Cell-fill templates are generally used for yes/no, so refs can't be put in the individual columns, which would necessitate a separate column for (in this case) up to three refs. Why repeat when the information is available in prose; it's not a V issue to 'duplicate' sourced prose in diagram format, so to say it should just for MP when FA/FL/DYK don't require it is surely just your opinion. Fair point about Cinema Toast, I had just been looking at the film table. Kingsif (talk) 05:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Zero footnotes in the Filmography section (thus looks like a block of unsourced materials, making the wikiarticle a poor candidate to put on MainPage). If footnotes are readily available from the prose, why aren't they re-deployed in the tables? The tables included Cinema Toast, but this title cannot be found in the prose. --PFHLai (talk) 04:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2025 PDC World Darts Championship
[edit]Blurb: In darts, Luke Littler (pictured) wins the 2025 PDC World Darts Championship. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by OZOO (talk · give credit)
- Updated by JamesVilla44 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: ITNR sporting final. OZOO (t) (c) 22:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I've boldly bolded the target article since it was missing bolding per ITN norm. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 23:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Article is currently not ready since some parts is still in future tense (Overview) and has some sourcing issues (Most subheadings under qualifications)Support since the issues have been resolved. Excellent work with the referencing, @JamesVilla44:! 31.44.227.152 (talk) 23:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)- Reference adding in progress JamesVilla44 (talk) 20:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Seed section now referenced JamesVilla44 (talk) 22:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Now referenced on pro tour qualification JamesVilla44 (talk) 22:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Aren't all tables under the "Schedule" section violations of MOS:COLHEAD? Would this hinder it being posted? Howard the Duck (talk) 23:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- MOS issues are generally a yellow "cleanup" tag issue, which doesn't prevent this from running, as only orange tags do. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Trying to change them to fit but I'm not experienced with it and don’t know how to make the evening session bit work like it should. JamesVilla44 (talk) 23:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Schedules should follow now, right? JamesVilla44 (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes it should but there's something freaky on the table label showing the date on the show/hide function. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support The worlds most high-profile pub game being won by a guy too young to drink legally. Certainly interesting. There is one tag on there about referencing but looking at it, the tag shouldn't be there as the section seems well referenced as is the rest of it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 22:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support ITN/R, well-referenced, congrats to the lad. Effy Midwinter (talk) 23:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Well referenced. Good to go. Moraljaya67 (talk) 03:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support looks to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Marking ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Britt Allcroft
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Evening Standard
Credits:
- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
- Created by 66.185.84.206 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheStarSwitcher (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Date death announced. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Meets ITN RD requirements, appears ready. Jusdafax (talk) 13:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Where's the citation for two paragraphs in her career section? TNM101 (chat) 15:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Devastating eruption located
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Blurb: The site of the volcanic eruption (pictured) which caused blue suns and global famine has been identified. (Post)
News source(s): AAAS, Jerusalem Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Wtmitchell (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose the blurb: Average reader would not understand what is this even about, at least in first few glances. Blue suns? Should be wikilinked, googling it gives weird things. Which global famine(s)? Too vague. If it is about some 1831 global climate catastrophe, does Wikipedia have an article about or related to it? Googling 'Zavaritski Caldera' on news tab currently only serves one news item by daily mail. It should first be reported by few major general news media outlets so that we may 'it is in news'. I don't say it is not interesting, but very confusing. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- The meteorological use of Blue sun doesn't have an article, but it probably could, there's enough material out there i.e. [4]. Meanwhile, the article is a stub and I don't see it significantly in the news at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- I was working on getting this started but got an edit conflict. Will leave it for now but my impression is that there's lots of work to be done around this. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- The meteorological use of Blue sun doesn't have an article, but it probably could, there's enough material out there i.e. [4]. Meanwhile, the article is a stub and I don't see it significantly in the news at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: the article is still a stub, and the blurb is not clear for non-initiated readers. Cambalachero (talk) 13:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Using the Little Ice Age article as a reference, there's multiple volcanic events that contributed to the changing climate from 1600-1900, and while discovering one of the sources is of scientific interest, this is not as key a breakthrough as the blurb seems to want to suggest. --Masem (t) 13:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose due to target article length/overall quality and a far too vague blurb for the average reader. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is a proposed (unconfirmed) interpretation of an event that happened in 1831. It's a mildly interesting result but has no major impact. I don't think this reaches the level of significance or broad interest that would merit an ITN blurb. In addition, the article is a stub with a single reference. We don't seem to have any article about the 1831 atmospheric phenomena, just a single bullet point in Little_Ice_Age_volcanism#1809–1831 - an indication that the event wasn't particularly influential or historically significant. Modest Genius talk 14:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Tariana Turia
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RNZ, The NZ Herald
Credits:
- Nominated by MtPenguinMonster (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Paora (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Co-founder of Te Pāti Māori MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Reference 32 is a dead raw link, but other than that I don't see any problems (and it's a minor detail that shouldn't stop the article) Cambalachero (talk) 13:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support looks good to me. A giant in NZ politics for sure. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Satis. Grimes2 (talk) 18:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
January 2
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(Posted) RD: Wilhelm Brückner (luthier)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MDR
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Rundstef (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German luthier in Erfurt. He worked until 90 in his workshop. Grimes2 (talk) 18:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support, I came to nominate, and perhaps update, but you did it all! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Article looks fine, nice work. Not sure if bibliography like this is needed, but that's not an issue here. Posting. --Tone 13:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Well sourced, informative, ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 13:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Rosita Missoni
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Italian knitwear designer. With her husband Ottavio Missoni, she co-founded Italian luxury fashion house Missoni. Death reported 2 January. Thriley (talk) 19:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Way too short to be posted to the Main Page. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: Article is still a stub. It also merely says that she died, but not the causes of death or any reactions to it. Cambalachero (talk) 13:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unless something has changed here recently, cause of death does not need to be mentioned for people who die of old age. RD does not require that degree of depth. Curbon7 (talk) 18:51, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- She was 93. RachelTensions (talk) 09:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- We do not require cause of death. But we do require that it’s at least start class, which this one is not. Schwede66 20:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Ján Zachara
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): "Vo veku 96 rokov zomrel bývalý slovenský boxer a olympijský víťaz Ján Zachara". Denník N (in Slovak). 2 January 2025. "Legendary boxer Ján Zachara passed away". rtvs.sk. Retrieved 2025-01-02.
Credits:
- Nominated by Di (they-them) (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: 1952 Olympic gold medalist, died on the same day as another 1952 gold medalist (Ágnes Keleti) Di (they-them) (talk) 16:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Current page size is 1427 B (243 words), generally still barely considered a WP:STUB.—Bagumba (talk) 18:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: Article is very short, and does not mention the causes of death. Cambalachero (talk) 14:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- We don't post stubs. Schwede66 20:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Ágnes Keleti
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1] blikk portfolio hvg
Credits:
- Nominated by 94.44.118.57 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The oldest living Olympian in history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.44.118.57 (talk) 07:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Second and and third citation above from Spworld2 (talk · contribs)'s duplicate nomination. His comment was
Ágnes Keleti has died, at the age of 104 , Hungarian Olympic champion, gymnast and Sportswoman
. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment Actually, she wasn't the oldest at the time of her death. Both Yvonne Chabot-Curtet and Iris Cummings were older then Ágnes Keleti. She was the oldest living champion, however. But its almost there, the article. TheCorriynial (talk) 10:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support, she's a notable Hungarian athlete who not only won 10 Olympic medals, but was also inducted into the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame, the Hungarian Sports Hall of Fame, the International Women's Sports Hall of Fame, and the International Gymnastics Hall of Fame. Di (they-them) (talk) 16:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- This is a recent deaths nomination, and so as per the notice, only the article quality should be considered (every person with an article is eligible to be nominated). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose as per WP:DENY. The nominator is blocked for sockpuppetry/block evasion, so we shouldn't be supporting that by allowing this nomination of theirs. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- If they verifiably died, they qualify. It doesn't help readers in this case to DENY. Per the WP:EVASION policy:
This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a banned editor (changes that are obviously helpful, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert.
—Bagumba (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- If they verifiably died, they qualify. It doesn't help readers in this case to DENY. Per the WP:EVASION policy:
- Support Article is in quality to post. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support denying a non-offending article's RD eligibility just because it so happened to be initially nominated by a sockpuppet account is a bad precedent to set. It sends a message that if you really dislike someone and don't want them to be memorialized, the solution is for you to quickly create a sockpuppet account and push out an RD nom, so that the target article is never allowed on the main page. The article is well sourced and ready. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Joseph2302, WP:BMB applies here. Rewarding a banned editor by posting this will only encourage more sockpuppetry. This should be closed and an editor in good standing can renominate. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- How about simply withholding the ITN nom credit template? No need to close and renominate the same candidate. -- PFHLai (talk) 17:07, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Yoav Gallant resigns from Israel parliament
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Yoav Gallant, member of the Israel Parliament (pictured), resigns at the age of 66, after being fired in November. (Post)
News source(s): NDTV The Times Of Israel
Credits:
- Nominated by ArPerfectlyEdits (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Thanks for the information, but resigning from parliament is not ITN-worthy. He was already ITN with the fact, that the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant. Grimes2 (talk) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Resigning after being fired is hardly the news bombshell he might have hoped for, even if he is an international criminal. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose first this doesn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF. Also, this nomination was made by an editor with 29 edits, and so violates WP:ARBPIA (need to have 500 edits to edit this topic area). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't understand your last sentence. Why should an ITNC editor have 500 edits? Grimes2 (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's coming from the Arbcom decision on anythibg related to the Israel/Palestine conflict, which includes when these topics appear on ITN. — Masem (t) 18:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't understand your last sentence. Why should an ITNC editor have 500 edits? Grimes2 (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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RD: Ripken (dog)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Skynxnex (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Baseball retrieval dog History6042😊 (Contact me) 14:44, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: David Lodge
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Euronews
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:3531:2BB0:7F04:241F (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: British author and critic. 240F:7A:6253:1:3531:2BB0:7F04:241F (talk) 02:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
(Attention Needed) RD: Wayne Osmond
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS, YourErie, ABC
Credits:
- Nominated by TheAstorPastor (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
The AP (talk) 08:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) 2025 Trump International Hotel explosion
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: One person is killed and seven others are injured when a Tesla Cybertruck explodes (pictured) outside of the Trump International Hotel Las Vegas in Paradise, Nevada, United States. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times BBC ABC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)
- Strong oppose This was deliberated before but it was taken down. Now a few hours on, we have more coverage than smoke being reported by The Mirror, but it still doesn't appear that important. Also, the article is at AfD, but that appears to be SNOW keep at the moment. Departure– (talk) 05:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Departure– This is in favor of the AfD discussion, but the article should maintain its current status.
- This does not appear to be a normal explosion, there is international media coverage[6][7][8][9], one person was killed and 7 were injured, and there are reports that this is related to the 2025 New Orleans truck attack Spworld2 (talk) 05:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Whether it was intentional or not, a single death is not significant to post as a story, unless it was determined to be an act of terrorism (which doesn't seem to be the case at this point). --Masem (t) 05:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem Was it determined to be intentional or not? There was one death and more than 7 injuries, and this did not happen near a normal hotel. 2025 New Orleans truck attack still under investigation -
- FBI is trying to determine if the incident was an act of terrorism, CNN [10] reports Spworld2 (talk) 05:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Are you suggesting MINIMUMDEATHS > 1? Banedon (talk) 08:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - this nomination has already been closed once. This could easily be just an accident or a grandiose suicide. The only reason there may be more coverage than local is because of the (possibly conincidental) timing with the New Orleans attack; which would make it the same story if there is a link. Nfitz (talk) 05:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Nfit It seems that the previous nomination was terminated due to lack of quality. This does not seem to be a normal occurrence. Spworld2 (talk) 05:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- The previous nom was withdrawn by the nominator.—Bagumba (talk) 08:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as per the previous one being withdrawn in the face of unanimous opposes. I share the sentiments of one of the original comments. A car fire? Some Tesla cars seem to have this issue. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- To be fair, mass shootings (and other kind of mass-murders) are objectively more common in the US than car fires. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 11:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- In 2021, 650 Americans died in motor vehicle fires and 48,000 by firearms, but most are suicides; only about 480 were in mass shootings. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- To be fair, mass shootings (and other kind of mass-murders) are objectively more common in the US than car fires. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 11:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as a single item, merge with the New Orleans blurb IF a connection is officially confirmed. Johndavies837 (talk) 10:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose we do not report incidents where only one person died unless if it is the assassination of a notable person.
- Djprasadian (talk) 11:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, Vice President Elect Musk has "broken silence" to reassure us that Tesla Cybertrucks are perfectly safe. But he is still alive. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Vehicles explode (and cause injuries from said explosions) all the time, I don’t see what makes this particular instance so special. I may reconsider if concrete proof of the explosion being intentional comes out, but I doubt it. Hungry403 (talk) 13:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also see that this nom was closed already, another reason for opposition Hungry403 (talk) 13:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: I'm pretty sure that Tesla Cybertrucks are not concrete-proof. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also see that this nom was closed already, another reason for opposition Hungry403 (talk) 13:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait It seems fairly clear that this wasn't a routine vehicle fire as the explosion was set up with fireworks and gas canisters. It seems conceivable that it's connected with the other truck terrorism incident and so we should await further investigation. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait @Andrew is right. Some new articles are now calling this a possible act of terrorism. [11], [12]— Preceding unsigned comment added by IDB.S (talk • contribs) 17:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- The police are saying this is likely a Suicide. I'm horrified that people keep recreating the article and reopening the discussion, when this was pretty obviously a good likelihood at the time this discussion was reopened! Close this abortion now. Nfitz (talk) 19:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose This was already previously nominated, discussed, and quickly closed. --SpectralIon (talk) 19:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support I was rejected from nominating it, however now that it was a terrorist attack and one person died, it only makes sense for it to be nominated. Two terrorist attacks in one day, sad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk • contribs) 20:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- There's no indication, User:SimpleSubCubicGraph, that this was a suicide. Why do you think this wasn't a suicide? Nfitz (talk) 20:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Nfitz well I've heard from some news sources that it is a terrorist attack. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 20:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have any references, User:SimpleSubCubicGraph? I haven't seen any since they declared that they believe it's a suicide. Nfitz (talk) 20:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Nfitz well I've heard from some news sources that it is a terrorist attack. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 20:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- There's no indication, User:SimpleSubCubicGraph, that this was a suicide. Why do you think this wasn't a suicide? Nfitz (talk) 20:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support my alt blurb. ArionStar (talk) 20:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose (again) that altblurb. These attacks are not related in method or scope (active attack with 10+ deaths vs. a suicide with no additional deaths). Also, while most know where New Orleans is, Paradise in English internationally overwhelmingly is not used to refer to the Nevada location. Departure– (talk) 20:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't live in the US and I'm not familiar with American cities. ArionStar (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Our article Trump International Hotel Las Vegas says it's in Paradise, not Las Vegas. Our blurbs shouldn't be factually wrong. Though why anyone wants to ITN a suicide I don't know. That's highly concerning. Nfitz (talk) 21:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Trying to think of it as an explosion rather than a suicide might alleviate some of that concern. People nominate exploding meteors, exploding pipelines, exploding all kinds of stuff. Humans are often involved, but they're not the basis, like in pure death cases. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose (again) that altblurb. These attacks are not related in method or scope (active attack with 10+ deaths vs. a suicide with no additional deaths). Also, while most know where New Orleans is, Paradise in English internationally overwhelmingly is not used to refer to the Nevada location. Departure– (talk) 20:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The authorities have officially announced that this incident was not linked to the New Orleans incident. With that in mind, this is not nearly important enough for the main page. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm just...appalled with this discussion, between the last nom and this one. I do agree with the consensus that this is a single isolated incident and not really ITN worthy, I really think the civility was lost some time ago with this one. Just a recommendation everyone - let's chill out a bit. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's free forum open to divergent opinions. The only civility lost was due to the tragedies. ArionStar (talk) 20:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- When divergent opinions go to reopening closed debatess and glorifying suicide, then that's a step too far. The article is a huge violation of MOS:SUICIDE. Nfitz (talk) 21:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- The original nomination was withdrawn, not closed otherwise. Reporting by major reliable sources has improved since then so reopening this wasn't quite as big of a problem as that, in my opinion. Departure– (talk) 21:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- When divergent opinions go to reopening closed debatess and glorifying suicide, then that's a step too far. The article is a huge violation of MOS:SUICIDE. Nfitz (talk) 21:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's free forum open to divergent opinions. The only civility lost was due to the tragedies. ArionStar (talk) 20:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - This is now being reported as an isolated incident. As no-one but the victim/perpetrator died, I don't think it comes anywhere near the usual threshold for ITN, and I'm rather suprised it's still being debated. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose -- this really ought to be closed; clearly consensus won't develop to post this. --RockstoneSend me a message! 05:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) Schengen Area expansion
[edit]Blurb: Romania and Bulgaria join the Schengen Area, the European passport-free zone. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Romania and Bulgaria join the Schengen Area and lift land border checks.
Alternative blurb II: Romania and Bulgaria both become full members of the Schengen Area.
Alternative blurb III: Romania and Bulgaria both become full members of the Schengen Area by removing land border checks, seven months after their initial admission.
News source(s): CNN, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by UCinternational (talk · give credit)
- Updated by WikiContributor0830 (talk · give credit)
- Support, I would argue that any changes to the composition of the Schengen Area are inherently relevant as the largest area with free movement in the world, and for years it has been a major topic of discussion here in the European Union that Romania and Bulgaria were the last EU members to not have been admitted (excl. Ireland who have an opt-out) because of a veto from Austria in the Council of the European Union. So it was very significant when the vote finally passed last month in the Justice and Home Affairs Council.
- However, that wording is probably not ideal—in a legal sense, Romania and Bulgaria joined the Schengen Area on 31 March 2024 when border controls were lifted for air and sea travel. The news are that land border checks have also just been lifted, granting the countries full participation on the same level as all other 27 member states.
- So I would propose re-phrasing the blurb to something like Romania and Bulgaria become full members of the Schengen Area, with land border checks lifted on 1 January 2025.
- BochiBochiGalaxy (talk) 05:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support, but agree with BochiBochiGalaxy, so also added altblurb 1. Yo.dazo (talk) 10:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability This is a major change in international policy. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support ALT1 as a major change in policy that is in the news, so meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. And target article has enough information about this event to pass WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This item is misleading because, currently, many major EU nations are actually operating border controls – Austria, Denmark, Germany, France, Netherlands, Sweden, etc. – see EU Commission. Schengen is effectively in abeyance and the article/blurb do not explain this. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Positive news, and any complaints about the article or story being misleading can be addressed in the article itself. Harizotoh9 (talk) 16:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - important moment for those countries. Very notable event. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 18:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per Eugen. ArionStar (talk) 20:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - 2 nations joining the Schengen isn't that exciting. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 20:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Major development. @SimpleSubCubicGraph: ITN articles do not have to be "exciting", they simply must be important. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support altblurb2 as nominator. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Both are major European countries with relatively large populations. I like the original blurb the most, but I'm fine with any of them. This is certainly a development worthy for ITN. --SpectralIon (talk) 22:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- With the edits to the blurbs, I now prefer Altblurb 1 to the others. SpectralIon (talk) 06:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt2 - Significant development in international relations. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- NB: Since I made the above post, the blurbs have been edited by another user to be more verbose than they were previously. I liked the conciseness of alt2, which is why I voted for it. The current alt2 is not what I voted for; I would support the original blurb in preference to it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- @GenevieveDEon: I've restored altblurb2 and moved the appended altblurb2 to a new altblurb since it was significantly appended by another editor without my knowledge. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 02:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- NB: Since I made the above post, the blurbs have been edited by another user to be more verbose than they were previously. I liked the conciseness of alt2, which is why I voted for it. The current alt2 is not what I voted for; I would support the original blurb in preference to it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted ALT2. Schwede66 07:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Surprised by lack of wikilinking on the country names, so dropping by to comment. They are major but there's a large population which isn't very familiar with them. NativeForeigner Talk 22:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I've brought this up on WP:ERRORS. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 01:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: John B. O'Reilly Jr.
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13]
Credits:
- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Moeqas (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: 6th mayor of Dearborn, Michigan. History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:41, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- In its current form, the article isn't ready. Date and place of birth are unreferenced. There is absolutely nothing about his early life, education, or work history. Schwede66 19:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Chad Morgan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-02/chad-morgan-australian-country-music-singer-dies/104778248
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Australian comedy country music performer known as "The Sheik of Scrubby Creek". HiLo48 (talk) 22:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Discography lacks a single reference. Stephen 22:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2025 Cetinje shootings
[edit]Blurb: Thirteen people including the perpetrator are killed and four others are injured in spree shootings in Cetinje, Montenegro. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Thirteen are killed in spree shootings in Cetinje, Montenegro. The shootings are the deadliest in Montenegro since 1944 during Nazi occupation.
News source(s): [14]
Credits:
- Nominated by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk · give credit)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality Quite similar in scope as the 2022 Cetinje shooting, also taking place in Cetinje. Removed mention of terrorism in the blurb as it's not in the source beyond the involvement of counter-terrorist government agencies. The second shooting targeted the restaurant owner's family. Departure– (talk) 22:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Departure– Changed it once more to deadliest shooting in Montenegro since 1944. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's almost certainly not relevant. "Deadliest since X" isn't needed in a blurb. Departure– (talk) 22:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Departure– Please clarify if I am wrong but doesn't blurb mean short description? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Blurbs are almost always a single sentence and typically don't contain context in the blurb. For instance, we wouldn't have the second sentence read "Shootings in Montenegro are rare due to strict gun laws" either - that can be implied from the source or the article. Departure– (talk) 22:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I turned SSCG's changes into an altblurb. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Departure– Please clarify if I am wrong but doesn't blurb mean short description? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's almost certainly not relevant. "Deadliest since X" isn't needed in a blurb. Departure– (talk) 22:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Article is all of eight sentences. Notability is unclear. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem how is a terrorist attack that has killed as many people as the New Orleans truck attack not notable? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- The article does not indicate that this is a terrorist incident. If that is established I would likely support on the merits, though article quality does not meet the customary standards for ITN as of this comment. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem its still people dying... SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am not questioning the basic notability of the subject for inclusion in the encyclopedia. But we have a higher bar for blurbs at ITN. All of which said, the immediate problem is article quality. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem its still people dying... SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- The article does not indicate that this is a terrorist incident. If that is established I would likely support on the merits, though article quality does not meet the customary standards for ITN as of this comment. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem how is a terrorist attack that has killed as many people as the New Orleans truck attack not notable? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality. This is the worst shooting in the country since World War II, so it definitely warrants inclusion. However, the article is way too short for the main page. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: I oppose the altblurb, since those facts may not be correct. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose- there's no mention in the article about these being the largest shootings since WWII. Perhaps because 11 died in the same location less than 30 months ago - 2022 Cetinje shooting (which was ITN). Also there were higher death counts for sprees murdering Albanians during the 1990s Yugoslav wars. This nomination is WP:OR. Nfitz (talk)Oppose per Nfitz. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 23:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)Changed to Support on notability due to increased death count. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 18:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)- Support original blurb on notability, wait on quality. This is definitely notable with 10 dead, but the article is a very short stub. I also oppose the alternative blurb per Nfitz. --SpectralIon (talk) 00:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I now fully Support the original blurb seeing as the article quality has improved and the casualty count has risen. SpectralIon (talk) 20:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
OpposeWeak Oppose - This doesn't seem terrorism related at all, and is rather a crazy person with a gun angry at the world after perceived slights. --RockstoneSend me a message! 00:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC) (Note: with the updated death count, I only weakly oppose posting-- RockstoneSend me a message! 22:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC))- @SpectralIon he killed as many people as the new orleans truck attack, what makes this not in the news? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I supported this for ITN, did you mean to ping Rockstone? SpectralIon (talk) 03:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon Yes, I am sorry. @Rockstone35 read above please SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @User:SimpleSubCubicGraph we typically don't post things that are notable only for the number of deaths without something more. We wouldn't have posted a mass shooting that killed 10 people in the US, for example. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 03:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Rockstone35 so 10 people dying mean nothing to you? What if you were a family member of those people? Wouldnt you want everyone to hear what that person did? You cant be apathetic to these people just because they dont affect you. You need to understand how that not only affected the family and friends of the 10 but the entire city and nation of Montenegro. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Opposing this doesn't mean I don't condemn the attacks or mourn the lives lost. Please don't set up a strawman. Of course I feel awful for the victims, as anyone would. But ITN isn't a newsticker. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 16:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SimpleSubCubicGraph, please read WP:RGW. The Kip (contribs) 19:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Rockstone35 so 10 people dying mean nothing to you? What if you were a family member of those people? Wouldnt you want everyone to hear what that person did? You cant be apathetic to these people just because they dont affect you. You need to understand how that not only affected the family and friends of the 10 but the entire city and nation of Montenegro. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @User:SimpleSubCubicGraph we typically don't post things that are notable only for the number of deaths without something more. We wouldn't have posted a mass shooting that killed 10 people in the US, for example. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 03:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon Yes, I am sorry. @Rockstone35 read above please SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I supported this for ITN, did you mean to ping Rockstone? SpectralIon (talk) 03:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon he killed as many people as the new orleans truck attack, what makes this not in the news? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose per Ad Orientem and Nfitz. Beyond deaths, special notability seems shaky. The Kip (contribs) 03:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality. Wait until the article is not a stub to post it. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 06:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support The deadliest shooting since World War II is notable itsslf. Article looks better now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is no indication this this is the deadliest shooting since "Workd War II (sic)". And this isn't stated in the article. Nfitz (talk) 19:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- The government of Montenegro declared three days of mourning, which is a sign that this is a serious incident on national level. Furthermore, there's no reason why lives of Americans should be valued more than lives of Montenegrins as we already have a similar incident in New Orleans posted on the main page. After careful examination, there's indication that the opposition to this nomination on significance comes from editors who regularly support shootings in the US and complain about anti-American bias when they don’t succeed.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Please answer the question. I'm not sure what the USA has to do with this. The nomination is seriously flawed - that's the issue I have. Nfitz (talk) 21:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Nfitz: You state that something isn’t the case without providing any evidence that proves the contrary. The 2022 Cetinje shooting you’re referring to had 11 deaths, which is clearly less than 13 deaths in this one. Moreover, there were no murders of Albanians in Montenegro during the 1990s. Montenegro was part of Yugoslavia whose authorities committed murders in Kosovo. You’re welcome to provide additional evidence if you don’t agree with it. There are reliable sources reporting this as ‘the greatest massacre’ in the history of Montenegro (see this as an example), so you need to better elaborate your view that it’s not the case. After all, we typically don’t include such lines in the blurbs we post, so this is a relatively minor issue considering how the story is unfolding (there are three days of mourning, and a country-wide gun ban was proposed).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- If you are say that there were no murders of Albanians (contrary to our own Encyclopaedia), I have concerns. My point here is that the article nowhere mentions that this is the deadliest shooting since Work War II, itsslf (sic). Surely, User:Kiril Simeonovski, looking at the article makes that clear (at least at the time that posted). The deaths are indeed now higher than the other recent shooting in this town; I don't see the relevance to my comment. Nfitz (talk) 00:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Nfitz: I think you should learn some geography and history before participating in such discussions with claims that what you don’t like is flawed (note first that Montenegro and Albania are different countries that haven’t been part of the same political entity over the past 100 years).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, of Albanians. There's no reason to be rude, and for you to violate one of Wikipedia's most basic principles, just because I've correctly pointed out that the article didn't mention that it was the biggest shooting since World War II. Nfitz (talk) 09:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not rude, just honest, and I wasn't bothered by your repeated sarcasm ("Workd War II (sic)"). Fair enough. Let's leave some room for others in this discussion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, of Albanians. There's no reason to be rude, and for you to violate one of Wikipedia's most basic principles, just because I've correctly pointed out that the article didn't mention that it was the biggest shooting since World War II. Nfitz (talk) 09:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Nfitz: I think you should learn some geography and history before participating in such discussions with claims that what you don’t like is flawed (note first that Montenegro and Albania are different countries that haven’t been part of the same political entity over the past 100 years).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- If you are say that there were no murders of Albanians (contrary to our own Encyclopaedia), I have concerns. My point here is that the article nowhere mentions that this is the deadliest shooting since Work War II, itsslf (sic). Surely, User:Kiril Simeonovski, looking at the article makes that clear (at least at the time that posted). The deaths are indeed now higher than the other recent shooting in this town; I don't see the relevance to my comment. Nfitz (talk) 00:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Nfitz: You state that something isn’t the case without providing any evidence that proves the contrary. The 2022 Cetinje shooting you’re referring to had 11 deaths, which is clearly less than 13 deaths in this one. Moreover, there were no murders of Albanians in Montenegro during the 1990s. Montenegro was part of Yugoslavia whose authorities committed murders in Kosovo. You’re welcome to provide additional evidence if you don’t agree with it. There are reliable sources reporting this as ‘the greatest massacre’ in the history of Montenegro (see this as an example), so you need to better elaborate your view that it’s not the case. After all, we typically don’t include such lines in the blurbs we post, so this is a relatively minor issue considering how the story is unfolding (there are three days of mourning, and a country-wide gun ban was proposed).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think the situation in New Orleans is significantly different than the situation in Montenegro. Namely, the one in New Orleans is a terrorist attack, while this is a domestic violence incident that became a spree shooting. Would you support posting a similar shooting that happened in the US? Personally, I would not. Also, please don't cast aspersions, I do not appreciate your insinuations. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 22:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Rockstone35: Is there a specific Wikipedia policy that terrorist attacks should be assigned higher significance in ITN nominations? Innocent people died in both incidents, so the motives shouldn’t matter.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Kiril Simeonovski: there isn't a specific policy that we shouldn't include mass shootings in countries where they're common, and yet that's consistently what happens, so I don't know what your point is. If the motive doesn't matter, then neither should how often it happens or where. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- My point is that you cannot dismiss a shooting if it’s not a terrorist attack as we don’t have such policy. There are other indicators of notability, such as public response and policies. If there are days of mourning and proposals for country-wide gun ban, then it’s clear that this is a serious incident that affects the whole society.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- The main reason I opposed posting was because these types of shootings are routinely not posted if they happen in the US, despite the fact that they had the same number of deaths. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 15:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- My point is that you cannot dismiss a shooting if it’s not a terrorist attack as we don’t have such policy. There are other indicators of notability, such as public response and policies. If there are days of mourning and proposals for country-wide gun ban, then it’s clear that this is a serious incident that affects the whole society.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Kiril Simeonovski: there isn't a specific policy that we shouldn't include mass shootings in countries where they're common, and yet that's consistently what happens, so I don't know what your point is. If the motive doesn't matter, then neither should how often it happens or where. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Rockstone35: Is there a specific Wikipedia policy that terrorist attacks should be assigned higher significance in ITN nominations? Innocent people died in both incidents, so the motives shouldn’t matter.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Please answer the question. I'm not sure what the USA has to do with this. The nomination is seriously flawed - that's the issue I have. Nfitz (talk) 21:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- The government of Montenegro declared three days of mourning, which is a sign that this is a serious incident on national level. Furthermore, there's no reason why lives of Americans should be valued more than lives of Montenegrins as we already have a similar incident in New Orleans posted on the main page. After careful examination, there's indication that the opposition to this nomination on significance comes from editors who regularly support shootings in the US and complain about anti-American bias when they don’t succeed.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is no indication this this is the deadliest shooting since "Workd War II (sic)". And this isn't stated in the article. Nfitz (talk) 19:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on Quality. Significance seems to be there, but as many of noted, the article is fairly short. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - While the article would still benefit from expansion, it's just about sufficient. Despite the fact that Cetinje has had two of them in four years, shootings of this kind are generally very rare in Europe, and this is clearly more than noteworthy. I am not impressed by arguments attempting to differentiate the New Orleans killings from these by applying the politicised label of 'terrorism'; in a murder on this scale, the puported reason for the killings should not generally be a deciding factor in whether to post. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - As noted above, the article is short and could benefit from more people writing to expand it, but it is more than enough to understand the event. Regardless of whether Cetinje was unlucky enough to have two modern shootings, these shootings are still extraordinarily rare in Europe. I will also note that I do not understand why so many people have tried to argue on the semantics of the word terrorism when twelve people have died, and that to most of the world this and the New Orleans terrorist attack have equal relevance – I think there is very clear U.S.-centrism at display in this discussion. BochiBochiGalaxy (talk) 05:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- It isn't Americentricism, please don't cast aspersions. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 15:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability; weak support on quality per GenevieveDEon and BochiBochiGalaxy. The article could and should be further expanded, but I think it conveys the basics of what happened sufficiently with some recent additions by editors. It is a landmark mass casualty event for a country that has caused a day of national mourning. The ripple effects of the shooting are also spurring a nationwide conversation about banning firearms. The call for gun reform are in turn attracting global news coverage, e.g. from the Washington Post to the Toronto Star. Opposing votes have mentioned the attack being motivated by mental health or family issues, but I point out these were also motivations of the Sandy Hook or Aurora shooters in the USA, attacks which had a lasting impact and which we did post without question. A non-terror motive does not negate that it is an impactful event, with casualties, that is leading to global media coverage. FlipandFlopped ツ 18:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - I'm changing my vote as the death toll has increased and I'm sold on the arguments of how rare such events are in Europe compared to other areas. Support blurb - I'm concerned the alt-blurb about WW2 is neither mentioned in the article, nor necessarily correct. Nfitz (talk) 20:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Do we have a consensus now? SpectralIon (talk) 20:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Even though I opposed posting... I think we do have consensus. --RockstoneSend me a message! 03:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Rockstone35 What is the consesus? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SimpleSubCubicGraph that it ought to be posted. --RockstoneSend me a message! 04:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Then we need someone to ping an admin. SpectralIon (talk) 04:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon can you please ping an admin SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what the rules are regarding that so I'm not gonna risk it. You should mark this nom as (Ready) though SpectralIon (talk) 05:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Fair enough, but someone needs to alert the administrators.; SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 23:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what the rules are regarding that so I'm not gonna risk it. You should mark this nom as (Ready) though SpectralIon (talk) 05:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon can you please ping an admin SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Rockstone35 What is the consesus? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Even though I opposed posting... I think we do have consensus. --RockstoneSend me a message! 03:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Do we have a consensus now? SpectralIon (talk) 20:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support original blurb or a variation thereof. I'm not sure the comparison to World War II makes a lot of sense even were it factually accurate - certainly what larger massacres occurred in 1944 were of another nature than this one. This is bad enough on its own. Khuft (talk) 21:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted, but with a rewritten blurb as we don't count perpetrators in the number of people killed. Schwede66 22:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2025 New Orleans truck attack
[edit]Blurb: 11 people are killed and 36 others are injured in a vehicle-ramming and shooting attack in New Orleans, Louisiana (street pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: Eleven people are killed and thirty-six others are injured in a vehicle-ramming and shooting attack in New Orleans, Louisiana (intersection pictured).
News source(s): [15][16][17]
Credits:
- Nominated by Personisinsterest (talk · give credit)
Wait on quality,support on notability. Going through some international news websites, this is the very top story on most of them and one of the top on all of them.I think a bit more information is needed in the article, but it's a matter of time as new information comes in.Heythereimaguy (talk) 13:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)- I, along with other users, have edited the article as more information has surfaced to the point where I believe that the article is of high enough quality. Support. Heythereimaguy (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment We typically do not post shootings in the US due to their frequency, but I will note that the fact that they found improvised explosives in the truck and the suspect was wearing armored gear suggests this is more than a run of the mill shooting, very likely premeditated. Should at least wait until some more info on the motive (if they can figure it out, the driver was killed) --Masem (t) 14:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, this was more a vehicle attack than a shooting. Heythereimaguy (talk) 15:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- The article is called "car attack" (actually now "truck attack"), so it is puzzling why one would ignore that central aspect when assessing the article's notability. Einsof (talk) 17:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait on quality and support without image for notability, however, the current image of just the street is, in my opinion, irrelevant. We don't need an image for every blurb. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Use Terrorist attack instead of 'Car attack' if confirmed. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support quality is ok now. ArionStar (talk) 15:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support: This is the worst terrorist attack on American soil in years. BOTTO (T•C) 15:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Personisinsterest: Would you be able to change the link in your nomination to 2025 New Orleans truck attack? The article has been renamed since you nominated it. BOTTO (T•C) 17:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Got it! Personisinsterest (talk) 18:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Personisinsterest: Would you be able to change the link in your nomination to 2025 New Orleans truck attack? The article has been renamed since you nominated it. BOTTO (T•C) 17:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Its the new year and a terrorist attack happened. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 17:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Quality is fine given the amount of publicly available information. Notable based on high number of casualties for a vehicle-ramming attack. Einsof (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Similar to the 2024 Magdeburg car attack that was posted at couple weeks earlier. Even more dead though and with an ISIS flag, bombs and guns, this is not run-of-the-mill in any way. Quality is good considering the amount of info available at the moment. --TorsodogTalk 17:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 18:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I somehow didn't get notifications for my prior discussion at Errors on whether to add things related to the Islamic State to the blurb, and it looks like the discussion was archived to the page history for not being an error, so I guess I'll discuss this here:
There's a lot of suspicion that the attack was done to further jihad and there's descriptions of a video in which the perpetrator pledges allegiance to the Islamic State the day of the attack. As such, I think we should modify the blurb to reflect this, maybe by adding the detail that the truck was attached with the jihadist flag of the Islamic State. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC)- @Admins willing to post ITN: since there's no opposition, should consensus to mention the flag be assumed? Aaron Liu (talk) 17:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- No, it’s detail best left to the article. Stephen 19:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- But it's quite critical detail on the motivation. It makes it the biggest IS-brand extremism–fueled attack in years. Though either way, I guess it doesn't matter that much since it'll roll off in a few days. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- No, it’s detail best left to the article. Stephen 19:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: since there's no opposition, should consensus to mention the flag be assumed? Aaron Liu (talk) 17:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) 2025 Trump Tower fire
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Blurb: A cybertruck catches on fire near the Trump Tower with casulaties still unknown. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-trump-tower-explosion-horror-34403879]
Credits:
- Nominated by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk · give credit)
- Oppose and topic ban User:SimpleSubCubicGraph from ITN. A car fire? And the sole source in the nomination is from a somewhat questionable tabloid list as WP:MREL. Nfitz (talk) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose WP:NTRUMP - no casualties confirmed or reported yet, damage unclear but doesn't appear much, reporting is coming from inside the tower implying most inside are more or less safe but they're saying that the fire wasn't even at the tower. The "big story" is literal reporting on smoke via The Mirror. Departure– (talk) 18:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wow Great to see some serious sources wading in: GB News, Daily Star, and Wiki's Favourite. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Nfitz I assumed it was a terrorist attack given that another one happened in New Orleans just a few hours ago. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
December 31
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RD: Tom Johnson (composer)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https:// The Violin Channel
Credits:
- Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by Hyacinth (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit), Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit) and Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Influential American minimalist composer, who promoted others by his writing as music critic in New York City, but then moved to Paris. The article was mostly there, but refs missing. Still missing for the later works (besides his own list). Please help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
I found a nomination for him under 4 January, and copied creator and updater to the above.
- | article = Tom Johnson (composer)
- | recent deaths = yes
- | sources = NYT
- | updated = yes
- | nominator = TJMSmith
- | creator = Hyacinth
- | updaters = Mooonswimmer
- | nom cmt = Died December 31, reported today, article needs some work
- | sign = 22:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ad Orientem, please look again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Getting there. Still an unsourced paragraph. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ad Orientem, please look again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Buddy MacKay
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American politician, governor of Florida for three weeks (1998–99), dies at age 91. Davey2116 (talk) 04:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Several areas that need more references. SpencerT•C 05:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Fraser Stoddart
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Twente University
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Created by V8rik (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Nobel Prize laureate in chemistry in the fields supramolecular chemistry and nanotechnology. Grimes2 (talk) 13:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Solid article, well sourced. No issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jocelyn Wildenstein
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:58D9:DCBF:4F69:EC26 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Swiss socialite best known for her extensive cosmetic surgery. 240F:7A:6253:1:58D9:DCBF:4F69:EC26 (talk) 02:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Fully referenced, appropriate depth. SpencerT•C 05:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Arnold Rüütel
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [18]
Credits:
- Nominated by 2A00:807:C7:C82A:2859:B355:BAAD:86AD (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: 3rd President of Estonia from 2001–2006. 2A00:807:C7:C82A:2859:B355:BAAD:86AD (talk) 04:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not Ready Multiple CN tags --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Several instances in the article of sourcing issues which need to be fixed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 14:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Angelo Amato
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [19]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Created by LCahill (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Italian cardinal who died yesterday. History6042😊 (Contact me) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Almost there One CN tag. But it's an entire list of his publications. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Added ISBNs Grimes2 (talk) 04:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support article now seems cited. FlipandFlopped ツ 18:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Johnnie Walker
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
- Created by R. fiend (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cameron Scott (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: English disc jockey. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support He seems to be quite popular as a DJ, including winning many awards. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Curbon7 (talk) 12:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: currently 18 {cn} tags. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready per Martinevans123. Referencing is not up to scratch. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024 United States Treasury Hack
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Blurb: The Chinese Communist Party hacks into the United States Treasury, stealing valuable data (Post)
Alternative blurb: The United States Department of the Treasury states that it was hacked by a Chinese intelligence agency.
News source(s): (Reuters)
Credits:
- Nominated by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk · give credit)
- Oppose First, that blurb is extremely misleading on two angles: Chinese hackers are suspected, but there's not yet any connection to the CCP. Second, the data took was "unclassified documents", which means it is unlikely to be "valuable" data from the Treasure department. As such, this is nowhere close to a major scandle, they just had to report it after reporting it to Congress. At this point, its not a significant incident. --Masem (t) 01:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem To your first point, yes that is true, a "suspicion" but 99% likely CCP hackers. Secondly, unclassified does not mean publicly available data, there are unclassified documents in the military, but that does not mean you can go around looking at it. Also the extent of the hack is still unreported. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 01:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Nonetheless I will still leave it up to garner a community census. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 01:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Which is why at this point, how significant this is is unknown, particularly compared to the phone network hacks earlier this previous month. As this happened earlier this month and only being reported on now, we should wait until we see if there's a serious diplomatic issue that develops. Masem (t) 01:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Oh no, my data! Seriously though, per above this isn't a major or important development yet. Much larger cyberattacks have happened since, such as National Public Data where actual valuable information was confirmed to be leaked, and that wasn't posted because we couldn't muster enough editors to get that up to quality. Tell me, what was stolen exactly? I'll reconsider if this gets more coverage. I'd give weak support on quality here. Departure– (talk) 04:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Departure– you know the Treasury will not leak what was stolen, but it was likely the programs that monitor and communicate with funding. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the blurb, it is laughably breaking many WPian notions. Nothing to say on posting another blurb. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 08:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please do not WP:BITE. Gotitbro (talk) 09:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't mean it in a devious way, but that in the process of forming a blurb, it produced something which is a bit humorous, as well as not fit few Wiki guidelines. I hope SimpleSubCubicGraph didn't get it the wrong way. It is a good faith nom anyway. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor I'm sorry, I won't make a new post anymore if thats what you want SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- @SimpleSubCubicGraph You got me, I meant you to not post anything ever again, stop editing and take a pretty much sanyasa from this wiki world of illusions.[FBDB] --ExclusiveEditor(talk) 18:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor I can not tell if that is humor or not, and yes I am being serious. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- @SimpleSubCubicGraph You got me, I meant you to not post anything ever again, stop editing and take a pretty much sanyasa from this wiki world of illusions.[FBDB] --ExclusiveEditor(talk) 18:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please do not WP:BITE. Gotitbro (talk) 09:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Just the latest in Chinese intelligence activity abroad (Chinese espionage in the United States, Chinese espionage in California) and Chinese information operations and information warfare. 2024 United States telecommunications hack was another one of these along with the Chinese interference in the 2024 United States elections; this isn't as unique of a story as it would initially seem. If things escalate we can re-consider. Gotitbro (talk) 09:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Insignificant Setarip (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. -- KTC (talk) 23:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose and WP:WHACK! User:SimpleSubCubicGraph for a horrid nomination. Nfitz (talk) 23:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per everybody. --SpectralIon (talk) 23:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per further thought. After rethinking about the grand scope of the article, I have changed my opinion on the matter and no longer think it is newsworthy enough to end up on the front page. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 5:04:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
December 30
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December 30, 2024
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RD: Hugo Sotil
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post , AP , CTXT
Credits:
- Nominated by Alexcalamaro (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: International Peruvian footballer. Sotil was one of the firsts foreigners to play in the Spanish league, he played along Johan Cruyff in FC Barcelona. Article need more references. Alexcalamaro (talk) 07:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not Ready per nom. This one needs some work. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Loretta Di Franco
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Oberon's Grove
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by 4meter4 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Soprano who performed more than 900 times at the Metropolitan Opera, many small roles and some lead roles. The article was mostly there, but the referencing not quite. The earliest obit is from 30 December, - we don't know (yet) when she died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Article appears in good shape Masem (t) 01:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jorge Lanata
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Cambalachero (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Journalist from Argentina. It too me a pair of days to post this, as the article was mostly unreferenced and had to basically use WP:TNT. I hope that it is ready for RD status. Cambalachero (talk) 02:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Article appears in good shape Masem (t) 01:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Michael Newberry
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTE, BBC
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: English-born Northern Irish footballer The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Quality looks good to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Article appears in good shape Masem (t) 01:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Jamshid bin Abdullah
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Atheer.om
Credits:
- Nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Last sultan of Zanzibar, claimant to the defunct throne since the monarchy was overthrown in 1964. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 10:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good, though it's also pretty short. Yo.dazo (talk) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- There's nothing on his early life and I conclude that it’s not fit for posting in its current state. Schwede66 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose He is insignificant. Although he may be the heir, that is about the peak of his fame. Zanzibar is apart of Tanzania now and even then was a state that nobody cared about, both strategically and relevance. This would not be good for In the news but rather Did you know and even then, its very hard if that should appear on that page. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 01:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- FYI, for RD we normally only oppose due to the quality of the article. If it has an article, the subject is notable enough to appear in RD. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Schwede66. Article needs a lot more info such as about early life, which could be expanded a bit. Plus, there's some cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Linda Lavin
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (ABC)
Credits:
- Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: great loss actress and she deserves --QalasQalas 23:38, 2024 December 30 (UTC)
- Comment: Article looks fine except the whole filmography is unsourced. RachelTensions (talk) 01:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Linda_Lavin#Acting_credits has remained largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 01:30, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Ethiopian Truck Crash
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Ethiopian truck crash kills 71 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: 71 people die in an Ethiopian truck crash
Alternative blurb II: A truck falls off a bridge over the Ganale Doria River in Bona Zuria, Sidama Region, Ethiopia, killing 71 people and injuring 4 others.
News source(s): [20]
Credits:
- Nominated by Alexgmail2000 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Article is a stub. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is no longer a stub, I believe. Ca talk to me! 14:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I still believe it is a stub / article needs expansion. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Someone with local sources to help us? ArionStar (talk) 17:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I still believe it is a stub / article needs expansion. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is no longer a stub, I believe. Ca talk to me! 14:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is decent and significant as the Minas Gerais road crash. The year 2024 is ending very badly. ArionStar (talk) 12:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Is "disaster" the right word for the article name? the sources seem to leave it as "accident" even with a toll that high? --Masem (t) 13:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Like Madan Ashrit Highway disaster and Westdene dam disaster. ArionStar (talk) 13:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- The move from truck crash to this new title was not discussed and should be reverted. "Try to avoid the words disaster, tragedy and crisis because this characterization is too subjective. It is preferable to use specific event names, such as collision, collapse, explosion, outbreak, pandemic, sinking, oil spill, and the like."
- Also Oppose on quality and sourcing.
- Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 16:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I moved the article. Ca talk to me! 16:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article significant because of many sources reported it numerous times. AsteriodX (talk) 15:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notabilty, Wait on quality, hopefully the article will improve eventually. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 17:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support What is it with disasters this week? Setarip (talk) 17:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Setarip what is with the entire year, so many incidents happening. its crazy, espically the latter half SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oh and Support SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Setarip what is with the entire year, so many incidents happening. its crazy, espically the latter half SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality WP:STUB QalasQalas (talk) 20:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for article quality then support altblurb2 without picture as the current image is too low quality. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 22:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose bus plunge This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Truck" plunge. ArionStar (talk) 00:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is actually a very good point about how news media, now with 24/7 operations, needs news to cover, and why as an encyclopedia we should be wary of giving attention to every single accident that gets reported. — Masem (t) 01:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until article quality improves, then Support Altblurb 2 due to the high number of casualties. P.S. is going into edit source the correct way to reply to an ITN nom? This is my first time and I couldn't find info about it. --SpectralIon (talk) 00:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability once the article is no longer a stub. high number of casualties, significant coverage. FlipandFlopped ツ 01:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Article is a stub and we don’t post those. Schwede66 16:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Little encyclopedic value to our readers. Tradediatalk 23:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm trying to do something but no updates yet. ArionStar (talk) 00:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- support just posted N'orleans with a dozen dead. Only logical.Sportsnut24 (talk) 21:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- We can make an exception here. It's so tragical. ArionStar (talk) 02:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle - This is a truly unusually high number of fatalities for a road accident. I'm not at all sympathetic to the terse deployment of 'bus plunge' as a 'reason' to oppose this nomination. It's an overused cliche used to dismiss genuinely significant stories from less-reported countries, simply because they feature a particular class of road accident. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: we have a consensus here. ArionStar (talk) 23:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Nah, at 1106 B (172 words) "readable prose size", that is most certainly still a stub. And we don't post stubs. Schwede66 04:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- So, we have a consensus with a stub. Can anyone help us to expand it? ArionStar (talk) 12:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Though it was a truck that plunged this time, not a bus, I can't see how that small cosmetic difference turns the whole underlying story (as reported) into something fundamentally expandable. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- So, we have a consensus with a stub. Can anyone help us to expand it? ArionStar (talk) 12:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Nah, at 1106 B (172 words) "readable prose size", that is most certainly still a stub. And we don't post stubs. Schwede66 04:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: we have a consensus here. ArionStar (talk) 23:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality but support on notability Horrifying accident, but the article's still a stub. The Kip (contribs) 02:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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