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Political position

I believe this short description should read "centre to centre right". My belief is that the conservative party is equal distance from the centre as the liberal party is (to opposite sides of course). The Ontario liberal page says "centre to centre left" and I think it is agreeable that both parties exemplify centrist policies. I think there should be consistently in how the political party is portrayed in respect to the liberal party, especially given the current Ontario PC government's shift towards the centre. Mangbroson (talk) 03:08, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This perspective is aligned with most sources. The PCPO tends to fluctuate its stance between centre and centre-right depending on the leader and time period. I endorse this change. Humberland (talk) 19:35, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like this issue should be opened again. There are users involved in an edit war on whether the PCPO is either centre or centre-right. Marcohcanada (talk) 23:42, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What are your thoughts @Helper201? Since I recently did an edit regarding this topic. Pinging: @Mangbroson @Humberland @Marcohcanada ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 20:32, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zlatan, the greatest Swede to ever play. I've found Wikipedia to be a joke - the censorship is profound. I will never donate again.

the provincial Conservatives continue to edge closer to the centre, and thus the edit war is probably with merit. The party has governed in a very left-wing manner, however there are still a few things they've done that keep them ever-so-slightly on the right. I'm not going name the left and right wing policies they've committed to, but my overall sense is that the party has realized if they masquerade as conservatives but govern as liberals, it's a winning formula in Ontario. I wish I could tell you the right answer but there isn't one.

Take my words as you may. In the end, it doesn't matter because the Wikipedia censors will decide what's true or not. Mangbroson (talk) 19:07, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in agreement with you. Under Patrick Brown's leadership, the PCPO governed as a centrist alternative to the OLP who were governing centre-left under Kathleen Wynne.

The PCPO learned over time that right-wing leaders such as Mike Harris will only result in Ontarians despising them. Even when Dalton McGuinty only won a minority government in 2011, the OLP gained a majority again during the next election in 2014 under Wynne because Tim Hudak seemed to be still a Mike Harris-lite.

Brown was the start of the PCPO moving towards the centre and even when he was replaced by Doug Ford, Ford understood the right-wing Mike Harris approach wouldn't work and instead came up with what was essentially a liberal alcohol policy (Buck-a-Beer) so that he'd have something other than "Kathleen Wynne bad" to beat not only her, but also Andrea Howarth's ONDP.

Fast-fowarding to today, Ford hasn't won three consecutive majorities for nothing. His anti-Trump approach during his recent snap election was a huge contrast to Pierre Poilievre's milquetoast approach and he has followed up his promise after the election, such as removing all American alcohol from LCBO. Marcohcanada (talk) 21:10, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fairly in agreement with both of you (not sure about the "very left-wing manner" part though). But you need sources to back up your claim as thats how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia can "censor" you as much as they want if you don't have the sources ("but my overall sense" will never cut it in Wikipedia). I listed some in my edit but I feel some better sources are needed which mention the party more directly rather than just Ford himself.

Having "centre" in the infobox was the long time as the consensus (but to Helper201's point. I don't believe it was sourced) ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 22:19, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ZlatanSweden10, keep it at centre-right. Also, your pinging of specific editors may be interpreted as canvassing. Helper201 (talk) 20:40, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How would this be canvassing? He pinged me as an original contributor to the discussion. My interpretation of your alleged interpretation is that of harassment. Shame! Shame! Mangbroson (talk) 19:10, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was pinging them as that is the only way I know of to notify them that I joined their talk page conversation (and of course it well-intentioned). PCPO has also had centre for a long time as the consensus and I understand why you removed it but at the same time I feel it should be added back with sources. Hopefully we can reach a new consensus here too. ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 22:13, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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